Tangentially Speaking

438 – Miguel Romero (Red Pill Junkie)

By September 27, 20208 Comments

Miguel has become a good friend, due to his always-smart comments on many episodes of this podcast, his help with editing and graphic design, and his insights on everything from UFOs to Mexican culture and history (which can be found at The Daily Grail). I always enjoy our conversations, and am thrilled we finally got around to recording one!

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Intro music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; “God’s Child,” by Selena and David Byrne; “Smoke Alarm,” by Carsie Blanton.

8 Comments

  • AvatarJono says:

    Chris,

    Your impression of the mask-defying patriot in Walmart saying “Fuck you, I’m an American, I’m free!” made me spit out my morning coffee.

    Thanks for this.

  • I understand that the non-masked patriot may not have the most nuanced point of view but like so much of what we are experiencing in this reality, I think it’s defensible if we are paying attention to how the entire COVID thing has been rolled out. There is a wealth of research on the usefulness of masks to constrain the spread of viruses. The research does not come up with consistent result saying that wearing of masks does in fact constrain viral spread. My reading has lead me to understand that they have no affect at all.
    I have reviewed a dozen research articles on the use of masks in surgical suites to restrict the spread of infection from surgical staff to the patient. In half of the operations the staff wear masks, in the other half they are unmasked. All these studies indicate the wearing of the mask makes no statistical difference whatsoever. The conclusions tend to be, “the wearing of masks make no difference to post surgical infection rates, however, we may cause more stress in our patients by changing our methodology so lets just keep things as they are.”
    That being the case – why are we being asked to wear masks and “its just common sense they stop the spread of infection”? I think that is by far the most interesting and important question. I am not certain of the answer but experience and analysis leads me to think we are being asked to acknowledge that those who authorize such things are the ones to be believed. The scientists vetted by the CDC and WHO are the ones who know. Those who disagree are unqualified and/or conspiracy theorists (this includes Nobel Prize laureates). The other intention is that we show compliance and acknowledge that yes, we are compliant and shall obey.
    This whole pandemic (now labelled an outbreak by the WHO) does not smell right to me. I think that once again, we’re being played.

    • The reason the wearing of masks to deal with this current health problem has turned into a controversy is not so much the fault of scientists, but because political pundits are using Science’s methodology to their advantage, just like they did with Climate Change or the effects of cigarettes.

      Science is not about getting the answers we want whenever we want them. To gather enough evidence so we can say with confidence what’s exactly going on with a virus that’s so new and different than anything we’ve encountered in the past, takes a lot of time and a lot of research. But because of the urgency of the situation, scientific journals are rushing to publish COVID-related papers that, in other circumstances, would have required a whole lot more scrutiny and peer review.

      Take for instance the controversy caused by a paper which was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on June 11. The authors were a professor of atmospheric sciences and a chemist –Mario Molina, a Mexican scientist– who is an expert in the behavior of aerosol particles in the atmosphere (Molina won a Nobel prize for his work involving the effects of CFCs in the ozone layer). The paper concluded that the best and most effective public policy for stopping the spread of COVID-19 (in conjunction with social distancing) was the general use of facemasks.

      Now, several epidemiologists took a look at the paper and immediately called for its public retraction. Mind you, not necessarily because the conclusions of the paper were wrong! But because these scientists objected to the methodology employed by Molina and his colleague, and to some of the premises they employed. There’s also the fact that oftentimes scientists of a certain field don’t like it too much when scientists of a different field stick their noses in ‘their turf’ (for instance, some of us remember how Dr. Robert Schoch was treated by the archeological community when he used his geological expertise to conclude the Sphynx’s age is much older than what is currently agreed by current historical dating).

      But because face masks has turned into a ‘hot topic’ in countries like the United States, Brazil and Mexico (all ruled by populists presidents who feel that wearing a mask makes them look weak) their supporters point fingers at the controversy generated by papers like the one published by Molina et al and they yell “AHA! YOU SEE, THESE EGGHEADS CAN’T GET THEIR STORY STRAIGHT, SO WHY SHOULD I CARE WEARING A MASK??” They used *exactly* the same tactics when they tried to justify their gas-guzzling Humvees or their two-packs-a-day habit, until the evidence was overwhelming that smoking *does* causes cancer, but by then it was too late –and of course, we all know Trump and his supporters are still refusing to believe the increase in global temperatures has a direct correlation with the burning of fossil fuels and industrial activity, and think the increase in forest fires can be prevented by RAKING the leaves of the forest grounds…

      But never mind the fact that –just like with tobacco and climate change– the evidence is slowly-but-surely mounting that YES, face masks *do* make a positive difference (like this WSJ article, which BTW is not exactly a ‘radical left’ paper like the New York Times: https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298). Ultimately, wearing a mask is such a small, minor inconvenience to most of us, you’d think our immediate mentality would be to wear them, and THEN let the eggheads figure out how effective they really were once we managed to contain this thing and get back with our lives. It’s a basic a decency as PUTTING DEODORANT when you know you’re going to ride the subway.

      But NO. Apparently none of us can’t be bothered to think of our fellow neighbors before our own selfish needs. Maybe that’s part of ‘the American way’ so many countries (including mine) wanted to emulate so badly, and why the United States still ranks as #1 in the number of COVID-related deaths.

  • AvatarGerald Perkins says:

    You can quote your scientists and I can quote my scientists. Why did it take this virus for some scientists to determine masks are useful when the previous 40 years and numerous studies determined the opposite? Are they just doing “better” research now? I suggest, there is an agenda that their research can support, thus, new research.

    If you want to quote the USA as a bad actor due to their lack of masks and general bad behaviour resulting in high death rates please explain Nicaragua. How about Sweden? This virus acts suspiciously and is refusing to behave. Perhaps there is no consistency in testing procedures. Perhaps the tests are often invalid, which of course they are.

    One statistic that I will trust is the overall death rate on our planet in 2020 versus 2019. What’s your bet? Higher this past year due to the “pandemic”, right? I’ll take your bet.

    I’m 70 years old and like you, living in Mexico. I’d rather take my chances – go to the cantena (all closed), sit in the city square (taped off) or listen to the church bells and the sound of children playing (nope, sorry they’re locked up at home). Like all of us I’ve been taking chances every day of my life. Friends and family have died just as I will one day. While I’m on this planet I choose to live. Not half a life with no restaurants, baseball, concerts or crowded bars.

    What I see is brain dead bureaucrats and administrators listening to the scientists they are supposed to listen to and totally unable to make any sense of a spectrum of information. Or, call me a conspiracy theorist, they’ve been co-opted.

    Guess what? I wear deodorant and brush my teeth before leaving the house. I wear my muzzle to get into the grocery store but resent every minute of my compliance. This isn’t about the minor discomfort of wearing a mask – which to me is not minor. This is about a social engineering project which most people are compliant with because they don’t want to upset anyone and, gee after all, they are just really nice people. The notion that I am a selfish person and deserve shaming because I don’t share your point of view I find dangerous and offensive.

    Intensive care units are empty. Hospital wards are being shuttered. Doctors who speak out have lost their jobs and are banned off social media platforms. Our governments response to COVID is so, so suspicious.

    • My criticism to people refusing to wear masks wasn’t directed to you directly.

      You mention Sweden, which for a long time (and by that I mean a few months, but time moves different when you pandemic) was used to criticize restrictive lockdown measures. But nowadays no one mentions how Sweden began to do far worse than the rest of its neighboring countries. Mind you, that doesn’t mean that a restrictive lockdown was a solution: appropriate testing and contact tracing were the best solutions –oh, and wearing a mask if you go outside.

      And yes, unfortunately we live in a world in which is difficult to ascertain the credentials of academicians offering counterpoints to scientific consensus. That’s why so many people fell for the ‘plandemic’ hoax.

      The ironic thing about this, is that by now we know that both Trump and Melania got this thing. Call it the Mother of all poetic justices!

  • I’ve done a deep dive into the statistics regarding Sweden and its neighbours. I recommend Ivor Cummings on YouTube who spends a fair bit of time going through the data. Sweden is doing just fine. If in doubt, ask a Swede.

    My main point is that we are suffering from a deep divide based on how people acquire, analyze and interpret data. We both have access to a shit ton of data. We appear to have come to different conclusions regarding what this “pandemic” is all about. Did we acquire different data? Likely. That takes the analysis and interpretation out of the equation. What can be done?

    I try to put myself in the shoes of people who cross the street when they see my maskless face approaching. For quite some time it just pissed me off. Since we had a different understanding of reality and we wore different uniforms it was easy to place each other into a dehumanized category. I’ve modified my behaviour after looking at the social media behaviour of those who take Covid and it’s spread as a very dangerous event. They truly see people like me as “Covidiots”. They are cognatively dissonate in their response to any information which would contradict their world view. So I now wear my mask strategically positioned below my chin (so I can breath properly) and when I see a masked person approaching, quickly position it to the required position. Sometimes I even get a nod of approval. I’ve conformed.

    Can they put themselves in my shoes? I see that there is a virus in our communities that unusually lethal to the aged if they were infected. The virus appeared to be passed normally. It had extreme respiratory effects including coagulation of blood in the elderly infected. Media attention and panic ensued. We were told by health authorities that masks were not effective or useful. I studied the research which overwhelmingly confirmed this understanding. Then what happened? A lot of exposed elderly died. Death rates among other age groups were similar or lower than the seasonal flu. Media pushed deaths and infections. Bill Gates announced there would be no return to normalcy until the vast majority of 7 billion persons were vaccinated. I followed those observers who were recording death rates which were becoming lower and lower and lower – even though there were more postive tests.

    My conclusion – we are being played. So, put yourself in my shoes. I’m a reasonably intelligent, informed individual who has followed what MSM and our minders have been doing to us for years. The Gulf of Tonkin. Weapons of mass destruction. Babies being thrown from incubaters. Etc, etc, etc. It smells so suspicious. In the eyes of the believers, I’m selfish and inconsiderate if I express my understanding through my actions.

    I respect your work. One day, post madness, if I make my way to Ciudad De Mexico, I’d love to buy you a refreshing beverage or two.

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