Tangentially Speaking

Organic, revealing conversation with fascinating, freaky folks.
Ever wanted to hang with a dominatrix, comedian, famous health guru, or Italian prince? Here's your chance. Tangentially Speaking is dedicated to the idea that good conversation is organic, revelatory, and free to go down unexpected paths.

104 - Richard (Japan)

Richard has lived in Japan for a dozen years, and knows the culture and language well. Since he's particularly interested in language, food, and sex, our conversation lingers around those topics—though as always, there's plenty of meandering. Download. Richard's site. Six Feet Under scene I talked about (Nate, not Jake). 

103 - Andy Gurevich's Third Visit

You know Andy. He's my occasional Podcast Power Bottom, professor of World Religions and World Literature, and an all-around fascinating dude.


Music: Intro, Basin and Range; Guelis, by Sabah Habas Mustapha & The Jungala All-Stars; Hanapepe Dream, by Taj Mahal & The Hula Blues Band; I Am the Walrus, The Beatles; Smoke Alarm, Carsie Blanton.

This American Life story about the honors student who gets some weed for the new girl (who happens to be a cop). The RUN DMC story is here. The story about the guy in the flying lawn chair is here.

102 - Daniel Pardi (Sleep Researcher)

From Dan's site: DAN PARDI is passionate about food, movement, and sleep. Interested in developing low-cost, high value health solutions. Also interested in anthropology, evolutionary biology, exercise and inactivity physiology, cognition, neuroeconomics, decision making, circadian biology, epistemology, gastronomy, food culture and politics, agriculture, sustainable practices, and dogs. Activities include mountain biking, CrossFit, hiking, dancing, and long walks with my headphones. 

Music: Natty, "The King Had a Dream." Nice vid here.

Download this episode.

More info:

  1. Stanford MedX presentation - 20min (wish I had more time!)
  2. Dan's article for Kresser - How mush sleep do you need?
  3. Academic articles on GHB neurobiology and abuse liability - both real snoozers! 
  4. Twitter: @dansplanhealth

101 - Doug Fry (Anthropologist of Peace)

Doug Fry has written extensively on aggression, conflict, and conflict resolution. He believes that anthropology holds important current-day lessons: “The macroscopic perspective of anthropology, with its expansive time frame and culturally comparative orientation, provides unique insights into the nature of war and holds some concrete lessons for how to develop a more safe and peaceful world.” 

Fry’s most recent edited book is titled War, Peace and Human Nature (Oxford, 2013)and contains 27 chapters by leaders in the fields of biology, primatology, forager studies, peace studies, psychology, and social cultural anthropology. His previous book, Beyond War: The Human Potential for Peace, is a fantastic introduction to this material for non-specialist readers.


100 - Cacilda Jethá

Dr. Cacilda Jethá is unlike anyone you've ever met. Guaranteed. She's been my wife, friend, co-author, and partner in crime for the past 15 years. She doesn't know many lives she's saved, how many people have died in front of her, or how many babies she's brought into the world. She's part Indian, part Persian, part African, part Portuguese, and speaks seven languages—sometimes all in one very confusing sentence. She's left-handed but learned to be ambidextrous. Like a lovely shaman, she dances between her worlds with incredible grace, generosity, and humor. Download.

Music: 1. Preto e Mi. Tito Paris. 2. Down in Belgorod. Paul Winter. 3. Petit Pays. Cesária Évora.

Photos: 1. Taken of us in Amsterdam, just after Sex at Dawn was published. 2. In medical school. 3. After winning the title of Fittest Woman in Catalonia (DIR Gyms) in 2002. 4. Early troubles with technology.

98 - Rick Doblin (MAPS)

In 1972, Rick decided to dedicate his life to bringing psychedelics out of the shadows and into laboratories and clinicians' offices. His path has included a PhD from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, and the founding of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). In recent years, Rick's persistence has started paying off—to the benefit of thousands of people whose suffering can be alleviated by these powerful, sacred substances. MAPS has funded research involving MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for terminal cancer patients, victims of sexual abuse, and veterans suffering from PTSD—among many other applications.  Download. Visit MAPS.

97 - Amber Lyon (journalist/psychonaut)

Amber Lyon is a three-time Emmy Award-winning journalist, filmmaker, photographer, and explorer known for her use of submersion journalism, or becoming part of the story, to find the truth. Lyon is the founder of the news site, www.reset.me and the web show and podcast Reset with Amber Lyon. Lyon has traveled the world investigating natural cures, focusing on the ancient use of entheogens to treat and purge trauma.  She ventured deep into the Amazon to study the Shipibo use of the psychoactive brew Ayahuasca, and studied medicinal mushroom use by native curanderas in the mountains of Oaxaca, Mexico, Thailand and Indonesia. Reset.me Download.

95 - Hound Tall (Moshe Kasher & Friends)

Moshe Kasher

Moshe Kasher

Nicky Glazer

Nicky Glazer

Nick Kroll

Nick Kroll

This is a special episode. I was on stage at the Upright Citizen's Brigade theater in Hollywood with comedians Moshe Kasher, Nicky Glazer, and Nick Kroll. I think the idea was roughly to make fun of me and my wacky theories for an hour. I had a blast, as you'll hear, and gave them plenty of material to work with. Download the hilarity.

94 - Aidan Raley (Modern Hobo)

When Aidan's car broke down four years ago, that was the last straw. He quit his job, threw his stuff into a bag, and hit the road, where he's been ever since. A young man who is clearly on an authentic quest of some sort, he's smart, articulate, and very thoughtful. This episode features his original music (and a cameo by Werner Herzog, just because). If you want to support him on his travels, you can download Aidan's music here at your own price. Download.

93 - Stephen O'Donnell (Artist)

The Judgement of Paris - Athena (2014)

The Judgement of Paris - Athena (2014)

Stephen O'Donnell paints exquisite "historicized self-portraits" in which his face appears in some unexpected places. Check out his work here. Download.

92 - Tonia Mills

Dr. Tonia Mills is an anthropologist with an additional degree in child development. She lived for years with the Beaver Indians of British Columbia and has studied many aspects of their society—particularly their beliefs around reincarnation. One of the many fascinating people I've met thanks to Stanley Krippner, Tonia shares some fascinating, intimate stories from her life among the Beaver people. Download this episode.

Full download of the interview with Jonnie Hughes.

Jonnie's site

91 - Thaddeus Russell Returns

I don't always agree with renegade historian Thad Russell—you'll hear that we disagree passionately about "Death Panels" and whether Americans die in the streets—but I respect his intelligence and ballsy insistence on telling it like he sees it. Check out Thad's book. Download.

88 - Myq Kaplan & Zach Sherwin





Myq and Zach are LA-based comics. They've appeared in all those places comics appear: Letterman, Conan, clubs throughout the land. They're both very into words. Myq studied linguistics and Zach raps like a mutha. Download.

87 - Mandy


A Korean kid in the American South, adopted by people who probably shouldn't have, lesbian, super-smart Harvard student, stand-up comic, diagnosed with an incurable disease at 30 ... Mandy has been there and there and there and back. Please join us for this powerful, heartfelt conversation about belonging, family, and that familiar feeling that you're getting better and dying at the same time. Download.

86 - Richard Satnick

The only man I know who has passed a joint to a chimp—sitting next to him in a tree, no less! Richard is a man of many dimensions. In part 1 of what I hope will be a multi-part series, we talk about his education, his first foray into business with one of America's first mountain bike shops, and what lessons rugby imparts in the "third half," among many other fruitful tangents. Download.

85 - Ceara Lynch (Humiliatrix)

Ceara is a sweet, smart, sexy young woman who degrades, dismisses and denigrates men over the internet. And they pay her handsomely to do it! What a world. Download.